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Li'l Mark McCain in full Rifleman, Jr. mode!

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:44 am    Post subject: Li'l Mark McCain in full Rifleman, Jr. mode!  Reply with quote

Sometimes there's talk that Mark should have been able to have a rifle and shoot when he was a young'un... Well, if you want to see what li'l Mark McCain would be as a real rifle carrying Rifleman, Jr., check out Johnny Crawford in the episode "Gratitude" (1958) from "The Restless Gun". He plays Ned Timberlake, a real spunky, li'l scrapper with a rifle. This is right before "The Rifleman", so you can just imagine it! (All quotes are Ned talking.)

When Vint Bonner (John Payne) wanders onto Ned’s family’s land, Ned gives off a warning rifle shot from a hilltop:

"We don't allow saddle tramps on Timberlake property." ....

"Well, if you don't turn around and head back, I'll give you the next bullet, right between the eyes." ....

"Get off our land, and stay off!" Cocks rifle.

Later, Ned has a group of men lined, up close-n-personal with his rifle, telling them what-for:

"You, gather your gear and pack it up.  Any tricks and I'll drop your partners." ....

"Yeah? Well, git movin'." ....

"Clean to the other side of the creek, that's where you're goin'." ....

"I had a hunch, you'd show up." (Now pointing rifle at Vint, as he walks into the camp) ....

"Go on. Get in line with your pals." ....

"Shut up and start walkin'."

At one point he thinks they have the drop on him, so lowers his rifle, but then his ma joins in with her own rifle, at which point Ned does an adorable, little double-take and quickly brings his own rifle right back up again. The whole of which brings to mind an imagine of Mark side-by-side with his Pa. What a hoot! (Seriously SO CUTE!!):

"Come on, ma... Let's shoot 'em now and get it over with." ....

"You take that back!" (Ned defending his ma's honor.)

Then with all around the dinner table, hatchet now buried:

"We buried pa June 7th last year. .... Other side of the hill from where I saw you. Robbers got him. Couple a saddle tramps. .... Pa - He didn't have a chance. Bein' out in the field with only a weedin' hoe. .... We heard 'em arguin', ma 'n me. And we drove them off with our guns. But, they had got pa. And they said they was comin' back for us. I only wish they had tried." (Said with faraway, haunted look in his eyes.)

Just an enjoyable piece of fanfare that feels like a lost episode of Rifleman.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd never heard of that series but checked out some episodes on You Tube. I really like that they shot it outdoors. It looks so much more real than the North Fork downtown set.

Where did you see the episode (Gratitude) with Johnny C in it? That role he played goes right to the heart of what I like so much about Grid Maule - a kid who thinks and acts with the confidence of an  adult and doesn't back down.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster davis wrote:
I'd never heard of that series but checked out some episodes on You Tube. I really like that they shot it outdoors. It looks so much more real than the North Fork downtown set.

Where did you see the episode (Gratitude) with Johnny C in it? That role he played goes right to the heart of what I like so much about Grid Maule - a kid who thinks and acts with the confidence of an  adult and doesn't back down.


Exactly! I bought "The Restless Gun Complete Series" on Amazon.com, just so I could see that one ep... and I was surely not disappointed! :)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd trade sensitive guitar-playing Mark for tough gun-toting Mark in a second. How could it be that they made Lucas such a tough guy unfraid to stand up to bad guys - and use his rifle if need be - while keeping Mark so innocent?

Think if Grid Maule had been like Mark. "McCain, I'm here to demand an apology from you. I been practicing this speech since I was eight years old and now I'm here so start apologizin' else I'm gonna raise my voice at you an' I might even start cryin'!"

Really re Mark, it reminds me of a famous saying:
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: 'It might have been.' "
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rooster davis wrote:
I'd trade sensitive guitar-playing Mark for tough gun-toting Mark in a second. How could it be that they made Lucas such a tough guy unfraid to stand up to bad guys - and use his rifle if need be - while keeping Mark so innocent?

Think if Grid Maule had been like Mark. "McCain, I'm here to demand an apology from you. I been practicing this speech since I was eight years old and now I'm here so start apologizin' else I'm gonna raise my voice at you an' I might even start cryin'!"

Really re Mark, it reminds me of a famous saying:
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: 'It might have been.' "


Lol… Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to say all that, since I do love the Mark that is and recognize that he has a gumption all his own… however, I do understand the POV and would love him as that, as well… or perhaps a balance of the two…. Regardless, it’s fun to compare and enjoy!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, sure, of course I like Mark. But the Mark I liked better was the one whose Pa left him alone overnight with a 22 rifle in one of the first couple of episodes. That same Mark 'wasn't ready' for that same gun years later.

I AM glad that they did show him getting into fights a few times. That certainly showed he wasn't a wimp. I just would have liked him to be more like his Pa in some ways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster davis wrote:
Oh, sure, of course I like Mark. But the Mark I liked better was the one whose Pa left him alone overnight with a 22 rifle in one of the first couple of episodes. That same Mark 'wasn't ready' for that same gun years later.

I AM glad that they did show him getting into fights a few times. That certainly showed he wasn't a wimp. I just would have liked him to be more like his Pa in some ways.


Yes. I hear ya and of course agree… which is why I get such a kick out of that Restless Gun ep. The scrappier and more like his pa, the better … as long as he keeps his loving, huggable nature in the mix. God bless ‘em!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, well I don't want to hug Mark McCain but I guess I can see the ladies' point of view on that...

I've read a few books written later in life by men who started out living in the old West and boy were they ever different beings than Mark. Maybe not a couple of typical examples but one of them (Teddy Blue) had an older brother, they were something like 14 and 16 years old respectively. Big brother had been working and got paid, bought a bottle of whiskey, they drank it and then rode through town shooting out all the streetlights.

Teddy's pa never liked him as a boy and recklessly put him in a situation where he might drown swimming a horse across a stream. He left home to work on a ranch (his pa was a farmer I believe) and at some point he stopped back home. Before he went to bed his pa gave him a list of what he wanted him to do the next day, all farming related. Teddy had no interest in farming. He said that when the sun rose the next day, he was gone - and never returned.

Another (Broncho Charlie Miller - they used to spell bronco with an 'h') was seven or eight years old when he left to work at a ranch several miles from home, busting broncs from that age. He lived in the bunk house or whatever they called the place where the ranch hands boarded. I bet that kid was some kind of tough before he was nine. (He lived to be 105 years old BTW.) How old do you think he was before some of the cowboys he bunked with had him drinking and smoking? In his autobiography he describes a short time spent as a Pony Express rider and while there are many who think he was just a windbag, many of his exploits in life were provable and his description of his first day or two as a Pony Express rider ring true enough, including how he spent his evening at the end of his first day's ride, what the town was like, etc. As when he worked on the ranch with older cowboys, he was again on his own in the world - at the age of eleven.

(Broncho Charlie was born in 1850 and spent over half his life in a world of horses, log cabins, cattle drives, and winning the West. By the time he died in 1955 he had seen skyscrapers, jet planes, color television, traffic jams, and the atomic bomb. Can you imagine seeing such changes in one lifetime? At over 100 years of age he could still pull the cork out of a milk bottle with a whip, and demonstrated that before journalists. I bet he'd have given back all the modern stuff to have the old West back again.)

These aren't good examples of what I think Mark could or should have been like but I think they prove that the way he was in that Restless Gun episode was entirely within the realm of reality back in those days. In fact there were places in the old West where a youngster of 13 or 14 got no special treatment and if he posed a serious threat to another person, he stood to get shot and killed as if he were twice that age. Grid Maule (in Sidewinder) was not just a wild notion. He could well have been a real person, I have no doubt.

Interesting and very different times!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And one other thing...

There has been plenty of discussion about 'what if Mark had been tougher, had a gun, etc.' - I wonder what kind of a show could have been made where the characters were reversed from Rifleman? A pa who was not so tough, maybe a preacher or teacher or doctor, and a son who grew up wild and crazy and brave getting into scrapes all the time?
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Ha... I suppose it may be mostly a woman's notion to keep the huggable in there... but we surely do love it!! As for the rest, very interesting, indeed! Truly incredible. And how sad to be so unloved by his father. After reading all that, I can clearly see why Lucas would feel the need to be so protective of his boy!! I've wondered about how a "wild wester" would feel in this ever-changing, multi-tasking , accelerated world. While I'm sure it would have it's typical "ooohhh... aaahhh..." moments, as in any new, exciting thing, I'd bet that they would ultimately miss the earlier, less complicated days when people weren't so very spoiled, having everything just handed over to them; instead having to work hard - the kind of hard that meant actual survival from one day to the next - with no time for getting bored or thinking endlessly on themselves and how to keep life exciting and meaningful. (I call this "Trouble Time".) As for me, I would love a world without automobiles, having to ride horses everywhere. Aside from being more of an incentive for families staying closer together (emotionally as well as physically), it would also keep the need, love, and respect for horses alive.

Btw, you were talking about the li'l broncho riders, I was amazed to find that Johnny C. started jr. rodeo riding right after he started on The Rifleman. Either that year or the next. Seriously, can you imagine that little one riding broncs?! q19



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rooster davis wrote:
And one other thing...

There has been plenty of discussion about 'what if Mark had been tougher, had a gun, etc.' - I wonder what kind of a show could have been made where the characters were reversed from Rifleman? A pa who was not so tough, maybe a preacher or teacher or doctor, and a son who grew up wild and crazy and brave getting into scrapes all the time?


Hmm... It would be interesting, but why do I feel like I've seen that before.... ??
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Just saw a couple interesting scenes in Daniel Boone's "The Trap", where Daniel's little boy, Israel - in full on survival mode - goes hunting alone for food; and with effort lifting that long, heavy rifle , gets knocked hard on his keister - again! - after pulling the trigger ... Then later, picking up the bad guy's handgun (Reminding of Rifleman's "Honest Abe"), does his best to defend his pa and Mingo. Once again quite easily picturing a "parallel universe" Mark in the role. Get such a kick out of that! Lol.



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shilohbloo wrote:
rooster davis wrote:
I'd trade sensitive guitar-playing Mark for tough gun-toting Mark in a second. How could it be that they made Lucas such a tough guy unafraid to stand up to bad guys - and use his rifle if need be - while keeping Mark so innocent?

Think if Grid Maule had been like Mark. "McCain, I'm here to demand an apology from you. I been practicing this speech since I was eight years old and now I'm here so start apologizin' else I'm gonna raise my voice at you an' I might even start cryin'!"

Really re Mark, it reminds me of a famous saying:
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: 'It might have been.' "


Lol… Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to say all that, since I do love the Mark that is and recognize that he has a gumption all his own… however, I do understand the POV and would love him as that, as well… or perhaps a balance of the two…. Regardless, it’s fun to compare and enjoy!!



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