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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:29 am    Post subject: How many times did the Rifleman shoot? --- "AGAIN!" Reply with quote

devroshart sent me this video - I thought y'all would get a kick out of this, I did!

How many times did the Rifleman shoot?
Slow motion view of the Rifleman


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All right.Before I have tried counting the shots and I've counted 12. And I've also counted 11 and 13.Glad to see what it really is.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah.  I've always heard 13...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting!!!  I sometimes counted 12 and sometimes 13.  Now we know.

Thanks, Cowgirl.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes this is so cool!  He sure takes care of the question and definetly the answer!  I'll have to link this to my page on "How many shots.....

Thanks devroshart! A true Rifleman fan!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son wanted me to share his speculation with you...

He pulled the trigger 12 times, but he KNOWS he heard 13 shots.  He says they had a speaker that did the bullets so it would sound good with the music (sounds good to me)

Then he stated that the fire coming from the gun was just a projection (he's a scooby-doo freak)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I agree with michelle P.'s son. Know I saw 12 shots. Know I usually hear 13. This question may outlive us all. Even Arnold Laven could not answer it for sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey

Cool avatar cowgirl. Did you do that I didn't...but i like it.
Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cool avatar cowgirl. Did you do that I didn't...but i like it.
Thanks.  Sweeney


Did I do that?  Yes I did do that!  I was wondering how long it would take you to notice it!  I started to e-mail you at one point & ask you if you wanted me to do this, and I thought heck I don't think Sweeney will mind, his face is already on a wanted poster.  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I am not the most observant person around Cowgirl but anyway I really do like it. Unlike me, Bill Quinn never ages (lol).

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

 No problem Sweeney, I was just waitin' for you to notice.  The one day I sat here and saw you were online & I thought you would say something.  But ya' didn't.  Then I saw you log out.  But I knew it was only a matter of time intil you would see it!    I'm glad you like it!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ears say 13 times, my wife disagrees. The visual is 12 times but the scene changes to the upperbody of Chuck, so maybe we miss 1 shot in the video portion. But I know I hear 13 shots.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm the odd person out in this, but I have always SEEN AND HEARD 12 SHOTS.......I know that, years ago, Chuck or someone associated with the show explained that the .44-40 only held 11 rounds, and they spliced together two separate scenes of Chuck firing the rifle to make it appear he was firing 12 consecutive shots.  At the beginning, when Chuck is slamming the flip ring "home" the first time, there is a sound (real or imagined) of what I think is the first round exploding or "rushing" out of the chamber, then - with the rapid sequence of the remaining shots, that sound is pretty much obliterated by the gunfire.  Could that be what is construed as the "13th" shot?  That's a pretty neat YouTube video, though!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched "When the west was fun" yesterday, and in there, Glenn Ford asked Chuck that question.  Chuck said, "Oh, I don't know.  Ten or eleven times?"

Johnny said, "It was 12."

To which Chuck said, "See, didn't he grew up to be the smart one?" or something like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Michelle, I always wanted to BE Mark McCain - in fact, when I was confirmed in 1961 (all good little Catholic boys are, you know), I chose Mark as my confirmation name (sorry though, not after the apostle....).  So, if Johnny thought it was 12, that's good enough for me!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck Connors..... The Man Behid the Rifle by David Fury

For those of you who do not have Chuck's book by David Fury I will quote what Chuck had to say in his interview with David Fury.....

At the beginning of each show, Lucas McCain would stride down the main street of North Fork and fire eleven shots at an imaginary enemy, as the voice over announcer would introduce CHUCK CONNORS starring as THE RIFLEMAN.  In a 1991 interview with Roy Firestone, Chuck explained that, "What you see and hear on the screen are eleven shots; what the weapon actually holds are eight shots.  That was a camera trick so that the shooting would match the music - called dramatic license."

I have this interview loaded on LiveVideo from before.  Because the length & the size of a video is limited I loaded it in 4 parts.

Chuck Connors interview w/Roy Firestone - The Rifleman pt1  
http://www.livevideo.com/video/18...erview-w-roy-.aspx?m_tkc=14744569

Chuck Connors interview w/Roy Firestone - Cubs part 2
http://www.livevideo.com/video/B1...erview-w-roy-.aspx?m_tkc=14746516

Chuck Connors interview w/Roy Firstone pt3
http://www.livevideo.com/video/D2...erview-w-roy-.aspx?m_tkc=14749817

Chuck Connors interview about his acting career w/Roy Firstone - pt 4  
http://www.livevideo.com/video/EB...erview-about-.aspx?m_tkc=14762498
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!  This was very entertaining!  It was so neat to watch this video!  It seems that there was a part missing at the end of the 3rd though, isn't there?

Again, thank you!  I loved watching this, (though I was wondering if he could no longer find his way to the barber shop...)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisb6263 wrote:
At the beginning, when Chuck is slamming the flip ring "home" the first time, there is a sound (real or imagined) of what I think is the first round exploding or "rushing" out of the chamber, then - with the rapid sequence of the remaining shots, that sound is pretty much obliterated by the gunfire.  Could that be what is construed as the "13th" shot?  That's a pretty neat YouTube video, though!
Later, Chris


When I was making the video, I did notice the thunder-like sound when he pulls the ring down in slow motion, when in theory he hasn't fired yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did hear that also.  It is so neat to watch this video, now we finally know the answer.  Let's see, what was it that we talked about before and it was mentioned that it was like "How many shots?"  and that we'll probably never know the answer?  Help me out here!  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowgirl.

Thank you so much for the Roy Firestone interviews.

They were great.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome Matt!  I'm glad you enjoyed it!  

Lots more where this came from!  You just never know what you might find throughout The McCain Ranch.  Always a surprise somewhere!  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howdy All, Weinerdawgy just had to add a few ideas on this most important aspect of Rifleman Trivia. I watched the video a whole bunch and one thing stands out clear to me, the sound of the rounds is slightly out of sync with the video. The first round seems to sound before the cocking of the rifle is complete. The next few rounds are not in time with the smoke coming from the barrel. I do count 12 cocks of the rifle and 13 rounds from the sound. I read somewhere that this was added to fit the final shots to the music. I have read claims of 10-13 from various sources. I wonder if this is effect from the filming technique or were the gunshot sounds overdubbed later. All I do know for sure is, whoever was on the recieving end of that outburst didn't have time to count to TWO!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweeney was right, even Arnold couldn't answer that question.

Not sure Weinerdawgy, but have you read 'The Procucer's Corner' by Arnold Laven?  He does discuss this.  No answer for sure but I find it interesting when he said
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Chuck fired during the opening title (which I devised and directed without paying attention to the number of shots fired))... was satisfied when he got a lot of shots off in a very few seconds, so I didn't bother to try and count them....now interested, I went to the editing room.....


To read more & some other interesting stuff for to 'The Prducer's Corner.....'
http://www.riflemanconnors.com/AL-producerscorner.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link Cowgirl. I just read a bunch of Arnold's material and found it wonderful. I wonder if I can take the sound track of the intro into my Sony Sound Forge software and look at the sound waves there. When I get time, I can pipe my VCR into the PC and see what I come up with. From what Arnold said, the sound was overdubbed so it makes sense that the sound and film would not match up completely. This is not distracting to the effect when watching the intro. So much gets overdubbed in Film that you just come to expect it. The story of how Chuck got the rifle from Stembridge is very good also. The thing I always seem to remember is the look on Chuck's face as he reaches in his pocket for that last round near the end. Like.....he needed it! He looked so mean there, but then proceeded to be the nicest guy in town, until you crossed him. Then, don't expect to count past two. The next ten rounds are for entertainment purposes only, hah.
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The thing I always seem to remember is the look on Chuck's face as he reaches in his pocket for that last round near the end. Like.....he needed it! He looked so mean there, but then proceeded to be the nicest guy in town, until you crossed him. Then, don't expect to count past two. The next ten rounds are for entertainment purposes only, hah.



I do like that look!  We sure know that look, don't we?  Just ask Mark!  There are so many of those "looks" in every episode!

When you all come down to it, there is not other Lucas McCain then Chuck Connors!  Perfect casting all the way around!
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, Margie!  I could not even imagine ANYONE doing Luke McCain better than Chuck, or Johnny, or Paul...Everyone was so perfect and Rifleman goes so deep, as we realize each time we watch it!



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